I was on The Joyful Frugalista podcast! What lessons did I learn as a podcast guest?

The Joyful Frugalista podcast, hosted by Serina Bird

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Can you believe it? Yours truly was on a podcast! The Joyful Frugalista podcast, to be exact.

Serina Bird, author of the book, The Joyful Frugalista has just launched her podcast of the same name, where she chats with friends, family and the famous about frugality, investing, wellbeing and living sustainabIy. I was very honoured to be invited as her guest and was very surprised to be on the second episode.

I had admired Serina from afar and connected with her via Twitter last year. She is enormously accomplished – she is an author, blogger, podcaster, mother of two, wife; writes for Money Magazine, Best Recipes and until recently, worked full time as a public servant with the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade and … as if that isn’t enough, she speaks fluent Mandarin (Chinese). I can tell you that her Mandarin is much better than mine! 

We chatted (in English) about my Chinese heritage, how it influenced my relationship with money and of course, beginning my FIRE (Financial Independence Retire Early) journey at the ripe old age of 47. 

 

Click on the image above to listen – and discover what my frugalista tip is! Oh and now you know what my voice sounds like, haha.

I learned many lessons being a guest on this podcast – we’ll get to that but let’s back up a little.

My introduction to podcasts

I discovered podcasts only very recently – in early 2018.

The year I turned 47 – how late to the party am I? Ah, but then I am a late starter, haha!

The very first podcast I listened to was Claire Hooper’s The Pineapple Project Season 1 – where she talked about personal finance.  A comedian talking about personal finance. Perfect.

I had woken up one morning in January 2018, feeling very anxious. The loop in my head was going something like this – retirement isn’t very far away … I have no idea when I can retire, how much I have in my superannuation (retirement account), how much money I need to retire etc.

So when I saw The Pineapple Project being advertised on the ABC, I took it as a sign that I must do something about my finances.

Mind you, I had to google ‘how to listen to a podcast’ to get started. I had heard the word podcast bandied about but never actually listened to one. Incidentally the word ‘podcast’ comes from iPod and broadcast.

Through listening to this first podcast, I was introduced to The Barefoot Investor and then more research on the internet brought me down the rabbit hole that is FIRE. To blogs and more podcasts.

And ever since then, I have listened to many podcasts. I listen via the Overcast app on my smartphone and mainly listen in the car as I commute to work and back. Sometimes, I listen as I meal prep on the weekends.

What do I like about listening to podcasts?

Most of all, I like the intimacy of it – it’s like listening to friends chatting amongst themselves about various topics. Sometimes I would join in the conversation and put in my two bobs. Sometimes I would howl with laughter. Other times, I just listened, like the ‘olden days’ of radio drama.

And I have learnt, oh so much from listening to these podcasts; from all things finance eg how to invest, be frugal, side hustle, increase your income, be more productive to … don’t date a stranger unless you’ve checked them out thoroughly (true crime podcast). Podcasts introduce me to new ideas, books, blogs and more podcasts.

But what did I learn as a guest on a podcast?

First of all, I was very nervous. Actually, terrified probably described my state of mind better.

I had never met Serina in person. But she put me at ease immediately with her bubbly charm and we launched into our conversation as if we’d known each other for ages.

Herein lies lesson number 1

As a guest, you need to trust the host and it helps tremendously when you can ‘meet’ beforehand and have a chat before being recorded for the podcast. It also helped that I had read Serina’s book and blogs, and listened to her first podcast, This Abundant Life that she co hosted with Kirsti McQueen. And that I like her podcasting style.

Let’s be honest here – I HATE the sound of my voice. And as a blogger, that is ok – I don’t have to use it – I live mainly in my head. I can also write and edit to my heart’s content. On a podcast though, I have to come up with answers immediately. It doesn’t help when you freeze up or say a lot of ummm and ahhh while you think of your answer.

This is lesson number 2

Apparently, a good editor (such as Serina’s husband, Neil) is able to edit out the pauses and the umms and ahhs. Whew! He made me sound much better than the real deal. 

But seriously, perhaps I should have practised out loud answering some of the questions before hand?

Lesson number 3 is related. 

Chatting to Serina made me realise that I don’t talk about my FIRE journey in real life. I do mention my desire to retire at 55 to my colleagues a bit more now that I have a plan. But really, my chat is mainly online with Twitter friends in the personal finance community or commenting on other blogs and Facebook groups. It is very different to articulating my views out loud and just chatting about my journey with a person face to face. 

I am an introvert and socially awkward in big groups. But I realIy must make more of an effort to connect with others on the same journey in real life. The more I can articulate and discuss ideas, the more ‘fluent’ I will be in discussing FIRE with anyone not on the FIRE path yet.

The most important lesson though is lesson number 4

To say I was scared witless is an understatement. I listen to a lot of podcasts. The ones I like have hosts and guests who speak clearly and can carry on an intelligent conversation or articulate an idea or concept well or just tell a good story. I knew I may not be able to deliver on my side of the conversation. And I did not want to let Serina down.

What if I fail?

So lesson number 4 is just that despite the fear, I did it anyway. I was petrified that I would stuff it up badly but other than the fact I should talk slower and clearer, I think it was ok for my very first podcast experience. 

Lesson number 5 – I never knew being a guest on a podcast can be so much fun! But that is thanks to Serina – we laughed a lot on the podcast. Perhaps that is distracting for listeners but I enjoyed our conversation. And watching it all being recorded, wearing super duper headphones, and talking into a professional microphone – all so fascinating!

 

Final thoughts

I was asked when I first started blogging if I’d like to be on a podcast – I answered no very quickly and decisively. In fact I said no a year later too.

But somehow, Serina charmed me into being a guest on her podcast and I am happy to say I even had fun while being terrified. Is that possible? Working through fear is good for you. What doesn’t kill you makes you stronger! 

My sincere thanks to Serina for making my first podcast experience a joyful one.

What are your tips for being a guest on a podcast?

The frugal gene bypassed me – my struggle with frugality

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My parents are frugal.

My grandparents were frugal.

I am not frugal.

Somehow the frugal gene bypassed a generation.

What I should be doing is deep diving into the last 12 months’ of spending and look at where I can save more. But I am so depressed by my results that I am actively avoiding it.

I have binge watched a whole series on Netflix, read far more blogs today than usual, done household chores,  completed online modules for a course for work … all very productive tasks, but all in the name of avoiding my spending habits of the last 12 months.

At the back of my mind, I am wondering why I am not more frugal than I am. After all, I had great examples growing up.

Definition of Frugal

So what is the definition of frugal?

The Oxford Dictionary of English defines frugal as

‘Sparing or economical as regards money or food’ and also

‘Simple and plain and costing little’

The meaning of frugal as expressed above seem very reasonable – who doesn’t want to live a simpler life? Who doesn’t want to spend less money?

Intellectually, I understand the need to be frugal on my FI journey – the less money I spend, the more money I have to save and invest. I even wrote about it here.

I also understand that I need to increase my income if I am not able to reduce my spending. Right now I am seriously contemplating reducing my full time hours for the sake of my mental health. So increasing income may not be easily achievable. Which leads back to reducing my spending and being frugal.

So why does being frugal evoke such negative emotions in me?

I will start from the beginning …

My money story

I wrote about my money story a while ago. My parents grew up in post Second World War Malaysia in poor families. I however, grew up in a typical middle class setting, not wanting for anything. I always had enough clothes, a roof over my head and more than enough food. We moved to Australia for a better future. I live a privileged life.

My parents taught me to always turn off the lights if we were not in the room and not to waste water. We certainly did not waste food – leftovers would be served till all is consumed. We did not use cling wrap or aluminium foil – they always used a plate turned upside down to cover leftover dishes in the fridge. Glass jars and plastic ice cream containers were hoarded to be used to store other stuff. Plastic bags were never thrown away – instead they were reused – as garbage bags mainly.

They taught me about the need to save for a rainy day, to invest in a house of my own, to work hard and save some more.

I started earning money

When I completed my university studies, there were not many jobs in my profession. I picked up shifts here and there and finally settled down to a full time job about a year later. I am still with the same employer to this day.

It was such a relief to find stable, full time work. It meant I didn’t have to be so careful with my money. I was living at home and didn’t need to pay for housing or food costs. I had a lot of disposable income … it felt good to spend my money on whatever made me happy.

A lot of things made me happy. Unfortunately.

Things like clothes, shoes (I LOVE shoes), books. I indulged in eating out and developed a taste for gourmet food. Imported French cheese, anyone? Luckily, I don’t drink – alcohol does not agree with me – otherwise I imagine I would be spending a lot on expensive red wine. Or craft beer.

Cheese room at South Melbourne Market’s Emerald Deli

I reckon I bought something every weekend. My therapy was to visit shopping centres and ostensibly, to window shop but invariably would end up with a purchase.

I also loved going on holidays and never stayed in a hostel. Travel hacking wasn’t a thing in the early days either.

At the same time, I was trying to save for a deposit for a house purchase.

When I was discouraged by the lack of success in house hunting, I booked a holiday away. Because I deserve some time out from the stress of house hunting. From the stress of saving hard for a deposit. How self sabotaging is that?

Spending money is fun.

Then I bought a house

Writing a cheque for the deposit at the conclusion of the auction was scary. Very grown up.

I spent a LOT of money that weekend. 5 figure sum for the deposit plus a 6 figure mortgage. Very grown up indeed.

But that was just the beginning.

I proceeded to fill my house with things. 

When I wasn’t working the weekend shifts for penalty rates, I was shopping for ‘things for the house’.

I bought new furniture and household appliances. Linens and crockery. Kitchen gadgets and baking paraphernalia.

When I ran out of space, I bought more shelves.

Experiences instead of stuff

The house is chock full of stuff. After a while, even I acknowledge that there is nothing else to buy ‘for the house’.

Now I start buying experiences – baking classes, cooking lessons and more holidays – travel experiences. The best is a combination of these …

Learning how to make paella in Barcelona

I don’t regret these purchases – learning a new technique, a new concept, experiencing new cultures, taste new foods – it all makes me happy or spark joy, to be on trend 🙂 I have so many wonderful memories of places I have visited and restaurants I have eaten at; theatres and concert halls; markets and laneways.

In the wake of the tragedy of the fire at Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris, I am so grateful that I was able to visit her. That I paid to climb up the spire / tower and was up close and personal with her gargoyles; grateful that I was able to enjoy organ recitals one evening in that magnificent space, with the evening sun streaming through her stained glass windows.

Why do I struggle so much with being frugal?

Learning about FIRE, frugality rears its head again in my life. I read of people aiming at only spending $2 per meal, travel hacking, no spend months and DIYing everything.

I am reminded of my parents’ frugality and my Mum’s exhortations to stop buying things.

Whenever Mum visited my house,  she would ask me how much this was, how much that was. I never told her the truth. I learned to hide my expensive taste from her a long time ago. And I can still see her shaking her head sadly, lamenting that I have too much stuff.

All I heard was criticism, not concern.

Just because you are frugal, Mum, doesn’t mean I should be too. And I can afford these purchases. I am proud that I earn enough money to spend on whatever I want whenever I want. That was my definition of wealth.

So the word ‘frugal’ still conjures up negative connotations and emotions in me.

Firstly, I relate it to my Mum criticising me. Criticising my way of life, how I choose to spend my money.

Secondly, I relate it to watching your pennies, to always be careful with every purchase, to worrying about money., being stingy. I relate it to being restricted, constrained, not free.

Thirdly, I equate success with excess, abundance, generosity. Why have two plates from St Vincent de Paul (which is what I had in my student days sharing a flat with my friend) when I can have twelve? I like being generous with my gifts for family and friends.

Finally, I love spending money. Spending money makes me feel good, happy – that burst of endorphins that I can’t get from exercise. Even though I no longer buy things or stuff, I still like to buy experiences.

So where does that leave me?

I fight

against the negative emotions by acknowledging them.

And ‘hearing’ my Mum’s voice in my head as loving concern instead of criticism. She was right – I was buying crap that I didn’t have room for in my house. I was wasting my money. My Mum was right to be concerned.

I re evaluate

what it means to be successful. Yes – excess, abundance and generosity. But not with things. With my time, my relationships. For example, I offer to cook for my friend’s birthday instead of us going out to eat at a restaurant.

I pause

before I make any purchases. Whether they be expensive experiences or that cappuccino I crave because I am stressed at work. I leave it for at least 24 hours and then decide if I still want it. (Not the coffee, of course! Generally 15 minutes later I am okay or I make myself a cup of tea – free at work. Yes, work provides instant coffee too but sorry, I can’t bring myself to go there …)

I identify

what my spending triggers are. When do I spend money? I know I succumb to temptation when I am tired, stressed out, bored and time poor. So I take steps to avoid shopping when I am in these states including grocery or food shopping. I always buy an unhealthy snack if I go to the supermarket tired or cranky or stressed out.

I develop

new habits such as eating everything in my fridge and pantry; only buying what I can consume; brewing coffee in the morning; eating oats for breakfast; bringing lunch to work; wearing an extra layer of clothing indoors in winter; not going to shopping centres for retail therapy and so on.

new skills such as gardening – my dream is to grow a vegetable patch

I learn 

from people who have walked this path. Such as Liz from Frugalwoods  and Jillian from Montana Money Adventures and be inspired to try out their tips and advice on frugality and intentional living.

Final thoughts

Maybe frugality is not a gene so much as a muscle that must be exercised often. It is a mindset where I can be satisfied with less now in order to have more later.

I accept that it is a long process, that I will stuff up sometimes but that I will get back on track again. That at times, I will want to be ‘spendy’ again. Or that I may transfer my love of spending to buying on the stock market!

What about you – do you struggle with frugality too? How do you change your mindset from wanting everything now to having less is more?

 

 

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