Late Starter to FI series #8 – Mrs Hack from Sustainable Living Blog

Welcome to the Late Starter to FI series!

I am a Late Starter – I did not discover FIRE (Financial Independence Retire Early) concept until I was 47. This was way later, I thought than others who seem to have it all together in their 20s and 30s.

Since I started to write about my own journey, I have discovered there are many more Late Starters like me, yay! It is such a relief knowing I am not alone. 

I want to share our stories, our unique perspectives and show that it is absolutely not too late for us.

So in this series, I particularly highlight those of us who start our FI journeys in our 40s, 50s and 60s. And explore questions such as ‘where do we start’, ‘can we still retire early(ish)’, ‘what are the specific challenges for us late starters’. We look at our past, not to castigate ourselves but so that you can learn from us.

Please join in the conversation in the comments below. I encourage you to share your story if you fit the profile of a late starter. You absolutely don’t have to be a blogger or podcaster to share your story. Please email me at info@latestarterfire.com or connect with me on Twitter, Facebook or Instagram

 

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A note on current circumstances

Many of these stories were submitted before the current COVID-19 pandemic and circumstances may have changed. The authors will update their circumstances if they wish, in the comments below.

We are in uncharted territory and the future looks challenging for a lot of us. My day job is in healthcare – I see first hand the collective fear and anxiety among the public, my colleagues and family. I have never witnessed such widespread panic and confusion or worked under such challenging conditions where information and policy changes daily. I wrote about my experience in this post

Yes, we are late starters – we have come to this Financial Independence (Retire Early) journey a little later than some but our journeys up this point have already been filled with courage and resilience. And these are the very characteristics that will see us through the current crisis.

So no matter what your circumstances are right now, however they have changed, I have every faith that you will be able to adjust and pivot as necessary. 

Maybe our progress will be delayed by a few years; perhaps we need to review our investing plan; maybe we have to tighten our belt further. Or perhaps we just have to sit tight and ride it out without changing anything. Whatever it is you have to do right now to survive and thrive, I know you can do it. 

I hope all of you are well and continue to be safe and healthy. 

 

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Introducing Mrs Hack

I am excited to share Mrs Hack’s story today. Mrs Hack writes at Sustainable Living blog – where she writes about finances and sustainability – the eco friendly and frugal path to financial freedom. You may also connect with her on Twitter or Facebook

Before the COVID 19 crisis arrived in Australia, we had another major crisis – the terrible bush fires that made world headlines. I feel for those who have lost homes and have not gotten back on their feet, only to be faced now with the COVID 19 crisis.

Mrs Hack was writing during the bush fire crisis.

This is her story.

A little about my family and I

Mrs Hack here from the Sustainable Living blog. My husband and I are in our mid 40s living in regional Victoria, Australia (where there are currently bushfires). 

We do have our bags packed, 40 litres of water and a fireproof safe with all our essential documents. Our insurance documents are up to date and hold appropriate cover. However, we’ve been told we live in a defendable town, but then … experts also said the Titanic was unsinkable.

I’m a primary school teacher and Mr Hack is a supervisor in a factory. Neither of us are high income earners. I’ve had a lot of time away from employment or doing part time or casual work bringing up children.

This is also complicated by the fact that one of our children has a complex heart condition and in his eight years has already had four open heart surgeries. There are six children in total, who range from 6 years to 27 years, four of whom still live at home. I have 3 grandchildren – one who lives at home (now 5 weeks old) with us and his 24 year old mum. 

We are also feeling the whole ‘sandwich generation’ scenario, having children to bring up whilst at the same time having elderly parents requiring further assistance. Sadly, my husband’s mother is currently going through chemotherapy for ovarian cancer treatment.

I don’t see us as being much different from other families. We may have more children than the average family, yet we still lead a normal, complicated and messy life.

As well as all the family and work stuff, I also write a blog about financial independence, frugality and the environment. 

How did we get here?

A few years ago, we were feeling a great deal of unease about our financial situation. We knew we didn’t have enough money to retire at the traditional age – based on our birth year, for us it is 67 years. We also wanted to have our mortgage paid off before retiring, plus there were still going to be children living at home as teenagers when we reached 60.

Despite having no debt, apart from the mortgage, we couldn’t figure out what we were doing wrong financially and why we were living payday to payday. Needless to say, we didn’t have an emergency fund and leaned on a credit card to get us through tough times (and there were a few extended hospital stays 300km from home). Our knowledge about investments was non existent.

It was then we came across the Barefoot Investor strategy. We studied the book and followed all the recommended advice and soon had a very good handle on our finances.

At the same time, we were disgusted at the amount of waste our household produced every-single-week and vowed to reduce our environmental footprint.

The combination of getting a great handle on our finances and reducing the amount of rubbish led to an epiphany – that financial literacy was directly linked to environmental stewardship! The less money we wasted, the less waste we created.

 

On the path to Financial Independence

After all these huge changes, it was a case of, what next. What was the next step going to be? Surely we had gone as far as we could go with our finances. Yet, little did we know there was a lot further to go. Learning about the stages of financial independence was quite an eye opener.

When I’m interested about a subject area, I want to know everything I can about it. So being typical me, I browsed the internet, YouTube and the library seeking further financial advice (my typical leisure time is used up by being hungry for knowledge).

I’m not 100% sure what led me to the concept of financial independence. It may have been a Mr Money Mustache YouTube video or it could have been a website article. But, one thing is for sure, once I found out I had to know more!

After much self directed study and number crunching, we calculated we could retire in about 12 years with the mortgage paid off. This would bring us to our late 50s. Whilst to some this may not seem much of an achievement age-wise, for us it was mind blowing. We went from looking like being broke pensioners reliant on the government to being self funded retirees. It also meant we could retire earlier than the expected 67 years.

Later on, we also figured out that as we reached our target number, work could become more flexible.

Our plan

Our target number is to reach $1M in 12 years or less, whilst bringing up a family and paying off the mortgage. This would allow us to live off $40k per annum (using the 4% Trinity study rule) in lean FI until we are able to legally access our superannuation at 60 years of age. I’m estimating our super will be around $400K by then, topping up our passive income to a total of around $56k per year.

Specifically the current plan is to live from the lesser wage following the Barefoot Investor principles. This is important to us as we are not interested in an extreme frugal lifestyle and would still like family outings and holidays and a little splurge money each.

The higher wage will be split 50% into the mortgage, 50% invested in index funds in the stock market. We project our mortgage will be completely paid off in four years – super exciting!

Of course, this is hypothetical and relies on both of us working full time. And, it goes without saying, that the more money we can earn the faster we will reach financial independence. 

Although, we could also get side railed by family needs but even if this happens, we know we are on the right path and that gives us a lot of confidence in the future.

 

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I am very happy to report that in the end Mrs Hack’s family did not have to evacuate during the bush fire crisis. But it must be nerve wracking, having everything ready just in case. Waiting for that call.

I admire Mrs Hack’s commitment to a sustainable way of living and how reducing her environmental foot print reduces her expenses too. She is an example for me to follow in my own quest to live more sustainably.

I am very sure that Mrs Hack’s creativity and ingenuity (I LOVE that she grows her own oyster mushrooms – this is on my to do list!) will see her and her family through this current COVID 19 crisis and beyond, to reach their goal of financial independence and retire early before turning 67.

What eco friendly strategies do you use on your way to financial independence?

I was on The Joyful Frugalista podcast! What lessons did I learn as a podcast guest?

The Joyful Frugalista podcast, hosted by Serina Bird

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Can you believe it? Yours truly was on a podcast! The Joyful Frugalista podcast, to be exact.

Serina Bird, author of the book, The Joyful Frugalista has just launched her podcast of the same name, where she chats with friends, family and the famous about frugality, investing, wellbeing and living sustainabIy. I was very honoured to be invited as her guest and was very surprised to be on the second episode.

I had admired Serina from afar and connected with her via Twitter last year. She is enormously accomplished – she is an author, blogger, podcaster, mother of two, wife; writes for Money Magazine, Best Recipes and until recently, worked full time as a public servant with the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade and … as if that isn’t enough, she speaks fluent Mandarin (Chinese). I can tell you that her Mandarin is much better than mine! 

We chatted (in English) about my Chinese heritage, how it influenced my relationship with money and of course, beginning my FIRE (Financial Independence Retire Early) journey at the ripe old age of 47. 

 

Click on the image above to listen – and discover what my frugalista tip is! Oh and now you know what my voice sounds like, haha.

I learned many lessons being a guest on this podcast – we’ll get to that but let’s back up a little.

My introduction to podcasts

I discovered podcasts only very recently – in early 2018.

The year I turned 47 – how late to the party am I? Ah, but then I am a late starter, haha!

The very first podcast I listened to was Claire Hooper’s The Pineapple Project Season 1 – where she talked about personal finance.  A comedian talking about personal finance. Perfect.

I had woken up one morning in January 2018, feeling very anxious. The loop in my head was going something like this – retirement isn’t very far away … I have no idea when I can retire, how much I have in my superannuation (retirement account), how much money I need to retire etc.

So when I saw The Pineapple Project being advertised on the ABC, I took it as a sign that I must do something about my finances.

Mind you, I had to google ‘how to listen to a podcast’ to get started. I had heard the word podcast bandied about but never actually listened to one. Incidentally the word ‘podcast’ comes from iPod and broadcast.

Through listening to this first podcast, I was introduced to The Barefoot Investor and then more research on the internet brought me down the rabbit hole that is FIRE. To blogs and more podcasts.

And ever since then, I have listened to many podcasts. I listen via the Overcast app on my smartphone and mainly listen in the car as I commute to work and back. Sometimes, I listen as I meal prep on the weekends.

What do I like about listening to podcasts?

Most of all, I like the intimacy of it – it’s like listening to friends chatting amongst themselves about various topics. Sometimes I would join in the conversation and put in my two bobs. Sometimes I would howl with laughter. Other times, I just listened, like the ‘olden days’ of radio drama.

And I have learnt, oh so much from listening to these podcasts; from all things finance eg how to invest, be frugal, side hustle, increase your income, be more productive to … don’t date a stranger unless you’ve checked them out thoroughly (true crime podcast). Podcasts introduce me to new ideas, books, blogs and more podcasts.

But what did I learn as a guest on a podcast?

First of all, I was very nervous. Actually, terrified probably described my state of mind better.

I had never met Serina in person. But she put me at ease immediately with her bubbly charm and we launched into our conversation as if we’d known each other for ages.

Herein lies lesson number 1

As a guest, you need to trust the host and it helps tremendously when you can ‘meet’ beforehand and have a chat before being recorded for the podcast. It also helped that I had read Serina’s book and blogs, and listened to her first podcast, This Abundant Life that she co hosted with Kirsti McQueen. And that I like her podcasting style.

Let’s be honest here – I HATE the sound of my voice. And as a blogger, that is ok – I don’t have to use it – I live mainly in my head. I can also write and edit to my heart’s content. On a podcast though, I have to come up with answers immediately. It doesn’t help when you freeze up or say a lot of ummm and ahhh while you think of your answer.

This is lesson number 2

Apparently, a good editor (such as Serina’s husband, Neil) is able to edit out the pauses and the umms and ahhs. Whew! He made me sound much better than the real deal. 

But seriously, perhaps I should have practised out loud answering some of the questions before hand?

Lesson number 3 is related. 

Chatting to Serina made me realise that I don’t talk about my FIRE journey in real life. I do mention my desire to retire at 55 to my colleagues a bit more now that I have a plan. But really, my chat is mainly online with Twitter friends in the personal finance community or commenting on other blogs and Facebook groups. It is very different to articulating my views out loud and just chatting about my journey with a person face to face. 

I am an introvert and socially awkward in big groups. But I realIy must make more of an effort to connect with others on the same journey in real life. The more I can articulate and discuss ideas, the more ‘fluent’ I will be in discussing FIRE with anyone not on the FIRE path yet.

The most important lesson though is lesson number 4

To say I was scared witless is an understatement. I listen to a lot of podcasts. The ones I like have hosts and guests who speak clearly and can carry on an intelligent conversation or articulate an idea or concept well or just tell a good story. I knew I may not be able to deliver on my side of the conversation. And I did not want to let Serina down.

What if I fail?

So lesson number 4 is just that despite the fear, I did it anyway. I was petrified that I would stuff it up badly but other than the fact I should talk slower and clearer, I think it was ok for my very first podcast experience. 

Lesson number 5 – I never knew being a guest on a podcast can be so much fun! But that is thanks to Serina – we laughed a lot on the podcast. Perhaps that is distracting for listeners but I enjoyed our conversation. And watching it all being recorded, wearing super duper headphones, and talking into a professional microphone – all so fascinating!

 

Final thoughts

I was asked when I first started blogging if I’d like to be on a podcast – I answered no very quickly and decisively. In fact I said no a year later too.

But somehow, Serina charmed me into being a guest on her podcast and I am happy to say I even had fun while being terrified. Is that possible? Working through fear is good for you. What doesn’t kill you makes you stronger! 

My sincere thanks to Serina for making my first podcast experience a joyful one.

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