Late Starter to FI Series #24 – Passive Income Generators

Snake River, Idaho | Passive Income

Welcome to the Late Starter to FI series!

I am a Late Starter – I did not discover FIRE (Financial Independence Retire Early) concept until I was 47. This was way later, I thought than others who seem to have it all together in their 20s and 30s.

Since I started to write about my own journey, I have discovered there are many more Late Starters like me, yay! It is such a relief knowing I am not alone. 

I want to share our stories, our unique perspectives and show that it is absolutely not too late for us.

So in this series, I particularly highlight those of us who start our FI journeys in our 40s, 50s and 60s. And explore questions such as ‘where do we start’, ‘can we still retire early(ish)’, ‘what are the specific challenges for us late starters’. We look at our past, not to castigate ourselves but so that you can learn from us.

Please join in the conversation in the comments below. I encourage you to share your story if you fit the profile of a late starter. You absolutely don’t have to be a blogger or podcaster to share your story. 

Please email me at info@latestarterfire.com or connect with me on Twitter or Facebook or Instagram.

And if you’ve missed any of the previous stories, you can catch up here – Late Starter to FI series

Todd with his wife and children
Todd with his family

Today, I’d like to introduce you to late starter, Todd from 50PlusOnFIRE.com

Todd writes about his journey to Financial Independence with his wife, using a different strategy instead of investing in the stock market. And about their motivation to put generosity first.

Todd can also be contacted on social media via @50PlusOnFIRE on Facebook, Twitter or Pinterest.

 

A little about us

Wendy and I live in beautiful Meridian, Idaho where our children are fourth generation students in the school district, going back to their great grandmother. I, on the other hand, like many residents of Idaho, grew up in California although I have not lived there since the summer of my sophomore year of college back in the late ’80s.

I am in my mid 50s and am known as ’50+’ on my blog, while my wife goes by and will forever be ’50-‘.

We married back in 2003, each bringing a 5 year old child from previous marriages, and we’ve had two children together.

I’ve worked in management since college – despite my original master’s degree in French and intention to teach. And have been a financial educator and education manager with a nonprofit credit counseling agency since 2004. We have been fortunate that Wendy has chosen and been able to be at home full-time to raise our family, mostly thanks to her thrift and savvy shopping.

Our favorite things to do together include spending time on the windy and rainy Oregon Coast, watching Harry Potter movies, and visiting any Disney or University Studios theme park.

COVID really cleaned out our social schedules. Our evenings are spent with our two boys at home rather than at activities or social events.

Just before spring break 2020, my employer sent all employees home to work. Those six weeks left a delicious taste in my mouth for financial independence and working from home.

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Lightbulb moment

 

As a financial educator and blogger for my non profit credit counseling employer, I had been hearing about FinCon and the FIRE movement since 2016 or 2017 or so. I have attempted many times since 2002 to start and run my own business and earn side income.

My moment finally came when I started reading several FIRE blogs that shared their journey experiences, including the income they were earning from their blogs. I realized there were two differences between these FIRE bloggers and me: first, I had far greater experience with writing and financial principles, and second, they were earning far more money and were in a far stronger financial position than I was.

I had always lacked discipline in my finances growing up, maxing out my first $2,000 credit card in 36 hours at age 21. I overshot my first $500 gas card credit limit the next year by $300.

In the fall of 2019, just as I was coming to these realizations, I spoke with a friend in my church about what he does. He was the volunteer scout leader and always seemed to be available for every event and activity. I learned that he and a friend had started a website that teaches bloggers to take their idea from conception to income replacement within 24 months – incomeschool.com  With his mentorship, I launched my first niche blog on the type of dogs we own that few have heard of: ShihpooCentral.com

Finally, as a person of faith, I was ready to change my relationship with money from one of earning and entitlement to one of appreciating my blessings and sharing them with others in need. One particularly meaningful passage from our holy text refers to seeking riches with the intent to do good. That is when I committed to giving at least half of all revenues generated by my FIRE efforts.

The whole idea of FIRE fit well with our vision of what we want to achieve in our remaining decades. In order to volunteer for service and humanitarian missions for our church, to spend time with our adult children and their families, and to do good now in our communities and neighborhood, we needed to create Financial Independence sooner than later.

Our financial situation

I was nearly 40 by the time I opened my first IRA, and we have always justified not maxing out our contributions because of needing things for our four kids. We had twice the retirement fund average in the US, but it was not near enough to support ourselves in retirement, even with Social Security.

Now in my 50s, I sense much more strongly the finite nature of time and know that we do not have enough saved for retirement and will not, even if we maxed out both my 403(b) and our IRAs (which would basically leave us homeless and in need of food pantry assistance).

I post our FIRE Journey progress monthly on my blog. It’s early, but after a major impulse purchase set us back in June, we corrected and have made some good progress on our debt. Our main focus is building what I call our PIGs, or Passive Income Generators. For now, these include our two blogs that will eventually grow to replace our full time income and will last well into retirement.

Other than a propensity to take our kids to Disneyland or Disney World every four or five years, we live pretty frugally. Wendy has worked wonders over the years, putting food on the table for a family of six with a $400 monthly grocery budget.

First steps on the path to FI

Honestly, the very first step on our FIRE journey was to accept that any income we generated for our financial independence would not belong to us but to God, to do as much good as we could. We’ve been very blessed in our lives and want to empower others.

Once we accepted that principle, we needed to decide how much we needed to live on long-term. Finally, creating our PIGs to cover those needs was the third step.

 

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How far along the path to FI are we now?

We are barely 12 months into this journey. Our first blog is on track to replace 5% of our full-time income within the next year with minimal ongoing attention, and our second blog has exponentially greater potential.
 
I feel hopeful now, more hopeful than I have ever been with our future. Our progress is small, but we now have a vision for what financial independence will look like for us.

Specific challenges or advantages of starting late

Compared to those who start in their 20s and 30s, those of us starting later have much more drastic options to choose from. We can choose to max out our investments (401k/403b, IRAs), create one or more long-term PIGs, or both.

Personally, I was not ready to consider FIRE earlier. Before marriage and family, I was too self-centered, living too much by a consumer driven Carpe Diem. With young children, we tried to focus on providing a loving home and experiences rather than just material things.

Now, in my 50s, I’ve authored several books and have much greater confidence in my abilities to focus on our goals and achieve them. Having earned a second masters degree in 2017 (International Management), I am much better prepared to run my own business and am by far a better writer than I was even 10 years ago.

 

Will we reach FI?

Yes, I am both hopeful and confident.

Originally, our goal is for me to retire from my full-time job at age 60. For a little while, I wavered because by doing so, I would miss out on any sort of social security. However, our goals for our PIGs are such that they will far outweigh any Social Security benefits we would receive at 62 or even 67 years old.

Still, I really do love my job as a financial educator. I could easily picture myself stepping into a part-time role after 60, even taking a sabbatical before returning.

The only reason we would really want to retire early (6-7 years early) would be to spend six to eighteen months at a time on humanitarian and service missions through our church. Our youngest will have graduated high school by then and will be in college.

Six years of working on my PIG for two hours each weekday morning before heading to my job plus one or two nights a week writing blog posts and developing my PIGs will get us there.

 

What's next?

I’m working on my first FIRE book, after which I will develop and begin offering corresponding eCourses and digital downloads.

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Thank you, Todd for sharing your FIRE journey and story with us.

Creating passive income streams in retirement is the holy grail, isn’t it? I have been thinking about this a lot lately too, wondering if it is safe to rely on Australian shares continuing to reward investors with good dividends in the future. Having another source of passive income is prudent, especially when starting late on the investing journey.

And your spirit of generosity is so inspiring – giving half of your income earned from passive income generators to your church.

I look forward to following your progress on the path to financial independence and eventual retirement :)

What are your passive income streams in retirement? Do you have any now?

Late Starter to FI series #23 – Retire Early with a Low Income

Retire Early on a Low Income

Welcome to the Late Starter to FI series!

I am a Late Starter – I did not discover FIRE (Financial Independence Retire Early) concept until I was 47. This was way later, I thought than others who seem to have it all together in their 20s and 30s.

Since I started to write about my own journey, I have discovered there are many more Late Starters like me, yay! It is such a relief knowing I am not alone. 

I want to share our stories, our unique perspectives and show that it is absolutely not too late for us.

So in this series, I particularly highlight those of us who start our FI journeys in our 40s, 50s and 60s. And explore questions such as ‘where do we start’, ‘can we still retire early(ish)’, ‘what are the specific challenges for us late starters’. We look at our past, not to castigate ourselves but so that you can learn from us.

Please join in the conversation in the comments below. I encourage you to share your story if you fit the profile of a late starter. You absolutely don’t have to be a blogger or podcaster to share your story. 

Please email me at info@latestarterfire.com or connect with me on Twitter or Facebook or Instagram.

And if you’ve missed any of the previous stories, you can catch up here – Late Starter to FI series

Retire Early on a Low Income
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Today’s late starter is Sassenach Saving from Scotland, UK.

She writes about her late starter journey towards FIRE on her blog, Sassenach Saving. And can also be found on Twitter.

 

I just love that there are late starters to FIRE from all over the world – while our pension funds may have different names, we essentially share the same struggles and come to the same realisations that FIRE is possible, even after a late start.
 
Here is Sassenach Saving in her own words:

A little about me

I’m Sassenach Saving. I’m English but I’ve lived in Scotland for twenty years, hence the Sassenach part of my name. (Sassenach is a term used by the Gaelic inhabitants of the British Isles to refer to the English inhabitants)
 
I’m a Mortgage Advisor and have worked for the same company as long as I’ve been north of the border.
 
I just turned 50, so I’m definitely taking my time to reach FIRE.
 
I’m a single parent to two teenage boys. It’s just been the three of us since they were two and three, so we’re a pretty tight unit. They like to mock me for my FIRE aspirations, but when I hear them talking about how they’ll manage their finances, I know they’ve been paying a lot more attention than they’ve let on.
 
I love running, so you’ll quite often hear me banging on about how much fun it is. I often think the best part of my weekend is 9.30 on a Saturday morning when I’m toeing the line at a parkrun. I like to visit different parkruns around the country. Before lockdown, I hit the magical number of twenty different locations, which makes me officially a parkrun tourist. Sadly no parkrunning just now, but I still manage to meet up with friends for some socially distanced running.
 

Lightbulb moment(s)

I’ve  been interested in keeping an eye on my finances for a long time now, but didn’t discover the whole FIRE movement until much later. I read a book when I was 27 called Getting A Life, The Downshifter’s Guide to Happier Simpler Living by Polly Ghazi and Judy Jones. Well I say I read it - really devoured it would be a more accurate description.

That was my moment where I should have discovered FIRE. If the internet had been a thing then I could have gone online and found out about all these other people doing what I wanted to do. I would have got cracking and working for a living could have been a dim and distant memory for me by now.

Instead it took me another twenty years to actually discover some strategies to get to where I wanted to be. The book was very inspirational, but it seemed to be predicated on the idea that you would receive a nice big redundancy payout or have a rich partner who could support your dreams.

I had neither, and the book was very short on practical advice. If it had just said you need to spend less than you earn and invest in index trackers then that would at least have got me started.

Sadly though, it took me until I was 47 to discover FIRE. I'm still not entirely sure how this happened. I watched The Minimalists film on Netflix, got into their podcast and one of them was about managing your finances. That piqued my interest and I fell down some sort of Personal Finance online rabbit hole which eventually led me to FIRE.

It felt like something I'd been searching for my whole life. I was a bit sceptical at first, as I didn't really seem to fit the profile of a FIRE person. But I quickly realised that there isn't just one route to FIRE, and in fact it can even mean different things to different people. For me, FIRE is a way for me to try to reclaim my time. I don't hate my job (always!) but I don't love it either.

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From 'never able to retire' to new goals

I am in a great position to have a final salary pension. Unfortunately whilst I was working part time and on a much lower grade job than I am now, they capped my salary in terms of my pensionable pay. So my pension is based on when I was working part time and only earning about £17k a year. I’m now earning in the low thirties, but that isn’t helping my pension figure.

When I discovered FIRE, I was pretty much resigned to the fact that I would almost never be able to retire. Three years later I am confident that I can definitely retire at 60. Not exactly retiring early, but much better than my previous situation.

I’m now working on being able to reduce the number of days a week that I work. My current goal is to try to figure out a way to be able to go part time when I’m 56. I’d love to stop altogether, but I can’t quite get the figures to add up for that. Not yet anyway.

Looking back ...

It’s taken me awhile to get to where I am now with my finances. Whilst I’ve never been a massive spender, I’ve also never earned a brilliant salary, so there’s never been all that much left over to save.

Even when I was married and so we had two salaries coming in, there never seemed to be all that much money around. Maybe I just wasn’t quite as good at managing the finances as I am now.

In the early years of being married, we built up a fair amount of credit card debt and then decided to do something about that. We spent a couple of years being pretty frugal and getting ourselves debt
free. We then moved on to tackle the mortgage with plenty of overpaying getting done.

We would have been doing pretty well, I think if we’d kept doing that.  We didn’t have masses of spare cash, and then add a couple of kids into the mix and there was even less money to go around. We were still doing pretty well though and throwing extra money at the mortgage every month.

Divorce is never great on the finances. And particularly so when you’ve got two tiny kids, it means you need to try and juggle working and child care. I had eight years of working part time and quite frankly I wasn’t making enough to cover what I was spending.

Luckily I’d made a chunk of cash when we’d sold the family home and the kids and I had moved into something a bit smaller. I had to keep dipping into my savings, so I was going backwards financially, but at least I kept our heads above water and I was able to spend time with the kids when they were little.

Although financially that was a disastrous time for me I wouldn’t change it for the world. The three of us are so close, and I’ve always been very open with the kids about money. They know that I work hard for my money and that it isn’t to be wasted.

I worked a completely soul sucking call centre job for eight years to work around child care needs. It nearly destroyed me, but it allowed me to be there to collect the kids from school and spend lots of time with them. For me it was the right decision, but in terms of reaching FIRE it has definitely made things tricky.

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First steps on the path to FI

I’ve overpaid my mortgage for a long time, even when I didn’t really have enough to live on. Every time the interest rate on my mortgage dropped, I would just keep paying what I had been previously. My view was that I’d been managing before, so why would I not just keep paying that. So that was happening even before I knew what FIRE was.

I always took advantage of share purchase schemes at work. That has most definitely been a mixed blessing as I work for a bank. The least said about that the better. It did however get me in the mindset of investing.

It’s only been in the last year that I’ve finally taken the plunge and got into index trackers. I honestly don’t know what took me so long. I could give myself a good hard shake for the time I’ve wasted. I can’t change the past though, only the future is (sort of) under my control. Onwards and upwards as I like to say.

Earlier this year I decided to change my financial strategy from overpaying my mortgage as much as I can to putting more into my AVC* (Additional Voluntary Contribution) fund. As I am lucky enough to have a staff base rate mortgage it seems ridiculous to be paying that off more quickly than I need to.

From a purely financial point of view my new plan makes perfect sense, but from a peace of mind point of view I’m not quite so sure. I’m still overpaying a little bit, but the money I’ve freed up from reducing my monthly mortgage payment is now going towards a nice tax free lump sum that I’ll take when I’m 60 and probably use to almost clear off my mortgage. That’s the plan anyway.

*Additional Voluntary Contributions “are contributions you make to your employer pension scheme to build up an additional retirement fund. When you retire, this AVC fund can be used to top up your employer pension benefits, within Revenue limits.” Contributions are taken from before tax salary.
 
Retire Early at 60 on a Low Income
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On the way to FI

I’ve still got a long way to go until I reach FIRE.

My expenses are pretty low as I’ve been used to living on not very much for quite a long time. I live in a much bigger house than I really need, but as I love hanging out in our home, I feel it’s money well spent. My idea is that I’ll be able to downsize once the kids are making their way in the world and that will free up extra money for me. The house is my one big extravagance really. I’m sure there’s other areas where I could cut back, but for me this is about as frugal as I’m comfortable with.

I’m aiming to get £50k in my AVC fund and £125k in index trackers. Just now I’m sitting at £6k in AVC’s and £37k in a mixture of index trackers and work shares. Like I said, still quite a long way to go.

I’m putting £600 into index trackers each month and almost £500 a month to my AVC’s. I haven’t quite figured out how I’m going to maintain that as my maintenance is dropping by £200 next month when my eldest goes off to university.

In theory my expenses should drop, but I have my doubts. And with terms only eight weeks long he’s going to be spending more than half the year at home, raking about the kitchen looking for something to eat.

The challenge of starting late

My main concern with starting late to FIRE is the lack of time to get to where I want to be. I’m impatient, and I want things to happen now.

I’ve already been working for nearly thirty years, and quite frankly I’m ready for a change. It’s frustrating to be committing so much of my salary to the future and yet still seem so far from achieving my goals.

I spend far too long looking at my spreadsheets and willing them to look more promising than they do. I don’t want to wish my life away, and I am more and more aware the older I get that we have a finite amount of time on this planet. I don’t want to waste more of it working than I need to, but at the same time I want to ensure that I savour my time now.

The future is not guaranteed to anyone. We need to make the most of now, whilst building a fantastic future for our future selves.

What's next?

I’m mostly happy with where I am on my journey towards FIRE. It would have been great if I’d discovered this twenty years ago, but I still think I would have prioritised time with the kids when they were younger over more money in investments.
 
So I’ll be older than I’d like to be when I can stop working, but I’m already in a much better position that I would have been if I hadn’t stumbled across FIRE. I have a plan and a vision of where I want to get to. Now I just need to keep putting the work in and enjoy myself on the way.

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Thank you, Sassenach Saving for sharing your story.

I hear you on your impatience to just get to the destination of FIRE. I am too. And completely relate to you staring at spreadsheets and wishing that the numbers look different.

The age old question about paying off debt in full before investing – I say do both! I regretted not continuing to invest after I bought my house – I’m pretty sure I would be happily attached to my couch now if I had continued investing.

I am super impressed at your commitment to your boys and what you have been able to achieve on a low income. You have shown us that retiring early with a low income is possible. It is not easy but it is possible.

We look forward to following your journey and cheering you on 🙂

 

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